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How to Use Positive Reinforcement at Work—and Other Advice from a Pandora PM

Beckie Wood has been with Pandora since 2006—long before Pandora became the household name that it is today. Wood started out as a marketing analyst at Pandora and, over the last 11 years, has worked her way up, landing (for now) as Vice President of Product for Content, Programming, and Insight. While that sounds like she's totally made it—and, let's be honest, she has—Beckie keeps herself grounded thanks to her dedication to empathy, mismatched socks, and the transcendent power of donuts. She's proud to have "grown up" with Pandora—and she's here to tell us all about it.

Whenever I’m asked, “Is Pandora a media or tech company?”, my answer is always, “We’re a music company.”I love music. I go to shows, I sing in the shower, I read Pitchfork. Loving music (and being super passionate about delivering music to our 75 million monthly listeners) is what keeps me here. Also, I love the Pandora culture, my boss Chris Phillips—he’s literally the best—my peers, and my team.

I am very good at navigating Pandora and getting things done. This is, in part, because I’m generally a very execution-oriented person, but it’s also largely because I’ve been here for so long that I know the ropes. I’ve been lucky to have grown up with Pandora.

On Her Journey to Product Manager

My path to product management was somewhat circuitous—I went from investment banking to equity research, then to marketing/analysis, and then into product management. I love product management because it combines technical work with empathy and understanding a user's (or in our case, listener's) needs and behaviors.

I didn’t have any formal Product Manager training [before starting at Pandora]. I actually moved from an analytics role into a PM role several years ago because our previous Executive Vice President of Product and Chief Technology Officer thought I would be good at it.

On What A Project Manager Does

I run part of the product team. "Product" at Pandora means defining the “what” and “why” of our app. We tell the engineer what new features and functionality to build. Have you tried the add-similar songs button when creating a playlist? My team defined and helped create that feature. The fun thing about product management is that there are many different types of successful PMs. There are the very technical PMs, the design-oriented PMs, the analytics/insights PMs, etc.

My advice to anyone who wants to get into product management is “check your ego at the door” and really learn about your consumer/user needs. Make sure you are also incredibly collaborative, good at communication (with all different types of people), and learn to influence people without ever directly managing them. Most PMs “run” very large teams, with no specific direct reports. They are instead asked to get things done by influence and partnership with their engineering, design, and analytics partners.

On the Bottom Line

Products need to work. At Pandora, we’re focused on basic metrics like crash rates and app speed. Also, products need to be dead simple—but with the ability for power users to dig in a bit more if and when it's needed. It’s really easy to dream up new features to add to the app. The discipline comes when we say "no" to “feature bloat”.

On Her Mistakes (And How They Helped Her Grow)

I spent too long being quiet and questioning myself. This is a cliché female trait, but it was absolutely real for me. I still believe in quiet leadership—leadership that’s about listening first, not speaking first—but there’s a need for folks to speak up if, and when, they have a strong point of view. With a bit of guidance and some coaching from others (and a formal public speaking class), I quickly learned which moments demanded me to speak up. I wish I had forced myself to make this change earlier in my career.

To this point, now when I see more junior folks remaining quiet, I like to dig in to understand their communication style. I also believe in creating space for everyone to participate in meetings, either by calling on folks or doing around-the-room style meetings.

Give us an idea of what your typical morning looks like.

6:20am: Wake up. Check work email (I never check email at night, so if anything major comes in, I’ll learn about it in the AM). Follow up on a few key things from the day before and get ready for the day. I try to hold off on sending emails to my team super early, but I will draft them up and then send later (around 9).

7:20am: Head out for a run. Usually 3 miles, and obviously, I’m listening to Pandora. I have a workout playlist I’ve created, but I also really like Arctic Monkeys Radio.

7:55am: Shower. I’m a no-frills person, but I do love Philosophy and Bumble and Bumble products. I’m a sucker for product marketing, especially on beauty products.

8:10am: Get dressed. I’m all about simplicity, so I actually have a totally mix and match wardrobe. Rag and Bone Jeans, Page or Theory shirt, Frye boots, earrings and my fitbit watch. I wear mismatching socks as a reminder that I get to work at a company that doesn’t really have a dress code. Even after 11 years, I still appreciate being able to wear whatever I want.

8:25am: Wake my boyfriend Mark up. He’s a total late-night guy, so he sleeps in and we usually have a bit of time to hang in the AM. We’ll have coffee together—either going to Philz or I’ll drink the Trader Joe’s packets. I know it’s not artisanal, but they are pretty tasty and dead simple.

9:10am: Walk to BART while listening to “The Daily” podcast. Get on 24th street BART station and settle in for my 28-minute ride. I’ll check Facebook, text friends, and listen to Pandora—usually my Thumbprint Radio Station.

9:45am: Stop at Donut Savant for an iced coffee...and sometimes a donut—or donuts for my team. I’m a big believer in positive reinforcement. I actually think that donuts can help almost situation and be a better morning.

10:00am: Get to my desk. I almost always have a 10am meeting and am usually walking right into it. I like working in the early morning, then having a break, then actually starting my day. I only accept meetings before 10 for execs. Part of the reason I love Pandora is for the flexibility.

Use Positive Reinforcement at Work + Other Advice from a Pandora PM- Her Starting Point

What’s the next big thing on the horizon for you or your team at Pandora?

Podcasts!

What does your commute look like?

Pretty efficient. A quick walk to BART, an enjoyable BART ride, and often a donut.

Best way to spend a Sunday?

Road or mountain bike ride, brunch, errands, then a communal dinner with my friends at my place. I actually hate Sunday nights—flashback to school days—so I love to end the weekend with someone super fun so that I’m not thinking about the work week.

The most important woman in your life?

My grandmother who passed away was definitely my inspiration.

Use Positive Reinforcement at Work + Other Advice from a Pandora PM- Her Big Break

Do you listen to music while you work?

Unfortunately not because I’m almost always in meetings, but recently I’ve been listening to the Tame Impala "Currents" album on repeat.

The best way to waste time/your favorite rabbit hole?

Two! New York Times cooking section and Pinterest for furniture & interior design.

What would your dream job be if you weren’t working for Pandora in product development?

Own an awesome bar and community space. I love creating communities.

Best advice for a woman who’s just starting her career?

Be your authentic self…No, really be your authentic self. Let others into your life. We spend way too much time at work for it to be entirely transactional. Care about the people you work with, and help create a caring culture.


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